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		<title>By: Alex A</title>
		<link>http://virtualphotographystudio.com/photographyblog/2008/05/the-difference-between-amateurs-and-professionals/comment-page-1/#comment-11978</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always thought, that professionals are those - who get paid for what they do... :)</description>
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		<title>By: ProPhotog</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProPhotog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a horrible list of differences... most of &#039;for hobby&#039; shooters I know would qualify under both lists; the Pro list is about as vapid and unsubstantial as the amateur... and NO, the FUN is not always there, some days it&#039;s just a job.

The difference between a Pro and an Hobby photog is simple.

1. Can consistantly produce professional grade images (not just style) i.e. CORRECT color correction, and image adjustments that would qualify for competition density. Consistantly can produce &quot;tack-sharp&quot; images at any given moment and has level of quality equipment to produce said results (Hi-res digital negatives, pro-end optics that ensure low chromatic aberration, sharpness, color)

2. Can offer the client pro grade printed materials that meet museum archival standards and density, while managing copyright and film/data archival service that would ensure long term negative preservation

This article is trying to romanticized professional photography, but Pro photography is a business and is not about art or passion, it&#039;s about results. And so yes, a pro does think about how to get more equipment, tools of the trade to refine his/her craft and marketability... a teenager with a point and shoot daydreams of images and wispy dreams of being paid to do fun things.

Simply put, Any professional can be an artist, but not every artist can be a professional.

In my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a horrible list of differences&#8230; most of &#8216;for hobby&#8217; shooters I know would qualify under both lists; the Pro list is about as vapid and unsubstantial as the amateur&#8230; and NO, the FUN is not always there, some days it&#8217;s just a job.</p>
<p>The difference between a Pro and an Hobby photog is simple.</p>
<p>1. Can consistantly produce professional grade images (not just style) i.e. CORRECT color correction, and image adjustments that would qualify for competition density. Consistantly can produce &#8220;tack-sharp&#8221; images at any given moment and has level of quality equipment to produce said results (Hi-res digital negatives, pro-end optics that ensure low chromatic aberration, sharpness, color)</p>
<p>2. Can offer the client pro grade printed materials that meet museum archival standards and density, while managing copyright and film/data archival service that would ensure long term negative preservation</p>
<p>This article is trying to romanticized professional photography, but Pro photography is a business and is not about art or passion, it&#8217;s about results. And so yes, a pro does think about how to get more equipment, tools of the trade to refine his/her craft and marketability&#8230; a teenager with a point and shoot daydreams of images and wispy dreams of being paid to do fun things.</p>
<p>Simply put, Any professional can be an artist, but not every artist can be a professional.</p>
<p>In my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrie Photographer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrie Photographer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 20:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this list, I come back and browse these types of pro/amateur articles as I&#039;m just starting out myself. This as well as the many great comments have helped me see I&#039;m a pro but at the amateur stage.  Great site, great post - thanks for much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this list, I come back and browse these types of pro/amateur articles as I&#8217;m just starting out myself. This as well as the many great comments have helped me see I&#8217;m a pro but at the amateur stage.  Great site, great post &#8211; thanks for much!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Raab</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Raab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am wholly behind Kevyn Schneider&#039;s comments. Could not have said it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wholly behind Kevyn Schneider&#8217;s comments. Could not have said it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do photography as a hobby and I cringe every time I see somebody on FB start a fan page as a &quot;professional&quot; photographer. They post the most awful shots. I saw a portfolio where the brides head was cut off, one of the shots were so out of focus, there was a hideous selective color shot. 

With today&#039;s economy people are going for the cheaper option and sacrificing the quality. 

I have the utmost respect for professional photographers and  hopefully skill and a bit of education will weed out those &quot;professionals&quot; out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do photography as a hobby and I cringe every time I see somebody on FB start a fan page as a &#8220;professional&#8221; photographer. They post the most awful shots. I saw a portfolio where the brides head was cut off, one of the shots were so out of focus, there was a hideous selective color shot. </p>
<p>With today&#8217;s economy people are going for the cheaper option and sacrificing the quality. </p>
<p>I have the utmost respect for professional photographers and  hopefully skill and a bit of education will weed out those &#8220;professionals&#8221; out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Virtual Photography</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virtual Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Will - I agree, every professional once was an amateur. The difference is they took action, which is what I&#039;m attempting to do throughout this blog. A photographer who remains an amateur or a hobbyist can still be a great photographer. The difference is they didn&#039;t take the steps necessary to make it into a business, or to become a professional photographer - of someone who makes income from what they do. 

I completely agree, I know just as many &quot;amateur&quot; photographers who are incredible photographers. But if they just do it for their own enjoyment, they will always remain hobbyists. 

Becoming professional is all about the money, or the business side. If you want to make it into a business, you have to take it to the next level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Will &#8211; I agree, every professional once was an amateur. The difference is they took action, which is what I&#8217;m attempting to do throughout this blog. A photographer who remains an amateur or a hobbyist can still be a great photographer. The difference is they didn&#8217;t take the steps necessary to make it into a business, or to become a professional photographer &#8211; of someone who makes income from what they do. </p>
<p>I completely agree, I know just as many &#8220;amateur&#8221; photographers who are incredible photographers. But if they just do it for their own enjoyment, they will always remain hobbyists. </p>
<p>Becoming professional is all about the money, or the business side. If you want to make it into a business, you have to take it to the next level.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Ablett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Ablett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I have to say, I got more out of reading Kevyn Schneider&#039;s comments than I did the post itself.

I have to say, I disagree with almost everything in this post; for one very good reason: all professionals started out as amateurs.

To belittle someone by describing them as an amateur in the way you are describing is demeaning and does you, them, and everyone in the industry no favours.

I&#039;ve met some professional photographers who I wouldn&#039;t recommend to a soul, because their work is (in my view) sub standard and no-one should pay them for it when they can get better for less. I&#039;ve also met amateurs who I would describe in the same fashion. However, I have met far more amateurs whose work I would recommend than professionals. The difference there being that amateurs are constantly innovating their own work, trying to make themselves stand out; and professionals think they have &#039;made it&#039; and that they have enough talent to be a professional. 

Now you may have noticed me using the word &#039;amateur&#039; there. My personal view is that a professional is someone who makes their sole income from photography. However, the term &#039;amateur&#039; is far more difficult to pin down. 

I, for example, am not an amateur. I know what I&#039;m doing, and I&#039;m a bloody good photographer. I do, however, work 35 hours a week at a 9-5 job. The rest of the time, I&#039;m a photographer. I&#039;m trying to build my photography business so that my income is sufficient enough that I can give up my 9-5 job.

So I&#039;ll ask you this, what does that make me? An amateur? Hobbyist? Wannabe? Or simply part-time? I&#039;m not going to define myself with any prefix.

I&#039;m just a photographer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I have to say, I got more out of reading Kevyn Schneider&#8217;s comments than I did the post itself.</p>
<p>I have to say, I disagree with almost everything in this post; for one very good reason: all professionals started out as amateurs.</p>
<p>To belittle someone by describing them as an amateur in the way you are describing is demeaning and does you, them, and everyone in the industry no favours.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met some professional photographers who I wouldn&#8217;t recommend to a soul, because their work is (in my view) sub standard and no-one should pay them for it when they can get better for less. I&#8217;ve also met amateurs who I would describe in the same fashion. However, I have met far more amateurs whose work I would recommend than professionals. The difference there being that amateurs are constantly innovating their own work, trying to make themselves stand out; and professionals think they have &#8216;made it&#8217; and that they have enough talent to be a professional. </p>
<p>Now you may have noticed me using the word &#8216;amateur&#8217; there. My personal view is that a professional is someone who makes their sole income from photography. However, the term &#8216;amateur&#8217; is far more difficult to pin down. </p>
<p>I, for example, am not an amateur. I know what I&#8217;m doing, and I&#8217;m a bloody good photographer. I do, however, work 35 hours a week at a 9-5 job. The rest of the time, I&#8217;m a photographer. I&#8217;m trying to build my photography business so that my income is sufficient enough that I can give up my 9-5 job.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll ask you this, what does that make me? An amateur? Hobbyist? Wannabe? Or simply part-time? I&#8217;m not going to define myself with any prefix.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just a photographer.</p>
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		<title>By: Gert van Duinen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gert van Duinen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the work of thousands photographers and designers each month and there&#039;s one thing that sets the best apart and that is:

Genuine Passion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the work of thousands photographers and designers each month and there&#8217;s one thing that sets the best apart and that is:</p>
<p>Genuine Passion</p>
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		<title>By: Pro. to Antics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pro. to Antics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 03:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the naughty nineties while shooting a wedding and trying out John Whitfield-King&#039;s  idea of shooting weddings in a photojournalist style.I forgot about the poor old videographer&#039;s. Dare I say it, I had the sheer audacity to, shh -- don&#039;t tell anyone, (I walked across the front of his cameras while they were on.) Promise you won&#039;t tell anyone now. Monday morning at the studio found moire sifting through the mail. On opening one letter it had  a very serious letter of complaint that ended with &quot;very unprofessional&quot;.

This accusation disturbed me into going to the local library where it was my habit to check out the old 20 volume O.E.D. Encyclopedia of the English Language. My hobby now is the history of words and their usages in all times and locations after making the most excellent discovery that every letter is a picture.  I photocopied all four pages under the heading of &quot;professional&quot;. Then went back to the studio and read all the quotes to see what professional really means. I found this little gem amongst them. A  reference to usage during the 1840&#039;s in a  newspaper article about  a musical performance of a band of amateur musicians.

&quot; It seems the amateurs are as good as the professional.&quot;. 

I highlighted that point with one of those neat little 3m marker pens and put all four pages in an envelope with no return letter of apology and posted it and smiled.

Was it professional to do that or not?

The word professional gained its usage from the military. The military establishment took on the work that word now does for us and press ganged it into service for the benefit of we, the residents in the 20th/21st centuries. The Military was not paid before that word was pressed into service but gained their income from rape, pillage and plunder only during the event of war. A full time military profession is a recent phenomena. They were amateur before they became professional? 

 I was not impressed by the criticism I faced from the video guy when after all is said and donel I was looking for the best pictorial viewpoint while his &quot;MOVIE&quot; camera was sitting on a tripod when I know for a FACT movie cameras just love movement and  action in front of them. Your honor/honorees I rest my case, may the jury retire to consider their verdict? Was I not a respected guest at that wedding and since that was the case then why should my action not be present in the record of the said event?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the naughty nineties while shooting a wedding and trying out John Whitfield-King&#8217;s  idea of shooting weddings in a photojournalist style.I forgot about the poor old videographer&#8217;s. Dare I say it, I had the sheer audacity to, shh &#8212; don&#8217;t tell anyone, (I walked across the front of his cameras while they were on.) Promise you won&#8217;t tell anyone now. Monday morning at the studio found moire sifting through the mail. On opening one letter it had  a very serious letter of complaint that ended with &#8220;very unprofessional&#8221;.</p>
<p>This accusation disturbed me into going to the local library where it was my habit to check out the old 20 volume O.E.D. Encyclopedia of the English Language. My hobby now is the history of words and their usages in all times and locations after making the most excellent discovery that every letter is a picture.  I photocopied all four pages under the heading of &#8220;professional&#8221;. Then went back to the studio and read all the quotes to see what professional really means. I found this little gem amongst them. A  reference to usage during the 1840&#8242;s in a  newspaper article about  a musical performance of a band of amateur musicians.</p>
<p>&#8221; It seems the amateurs are as good as the professional.&#8221;. </p>
<p>I highlighted that point with one of those neat little 3m marker pens and put all four pages in an envelope with no return letter of apology and posted it and smiled.</p>
<p>Was it professional to do that or not?</p>
<p>The word professional gained its usage from the military. The military establishment took on the work that word now does for us and press ganged it into service for the benefit of we, the residents in the 20th/21st centuries. The Military was not paid before that word was pressed into service but gained their income from rape, pillage and plunder only during the event of war. A full time military profession is a recent phenomena. They were amateur before they became professional? </p>
<p> I was not impressed by the criticism I faced from the video guy when after all is said and donel I was looking for the best pictorial viewpoint while his &#8220;MOVIE&#8221; camera was sitting on a tripod when I know for a FACT movie cameras just love movement and  action in front of them. Your honor/honorees I rest my case, may the jury retire to consider their verdict? Was I not a respected guest at that wedding and since that was the case then why should my action not be present in the record of the said event?</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved your post Kevyn. I really hate the denigration of the world amateur or hobbyist as well. I think that, while there is a great deal of technical knowledge needed in photography, it is ulitimatly very subjective. Some &quot;professional&quot; photographers, which I really think is a subjective word in and of itself, aren&#039;t as good as some &quot;amateur&quot; photographers and vice versa. I saw a post the other day &quot;Tips for amateurs&quot; the first was &quot;learn about your camera&quot;. Seriously??? This is the level that pro&#039;s view all amateurs as being at. I know a great deal about my camera. I have been taking pictures for years, and I have been charging for it for the last year. What is the definition of a professional? In my opinion it is SIMPLY someone who gets paid for their work, always strives to become better at their craft, and always delivers professional work that their clients love. And truthfully, some new photographers and hobbyists can deliver this. Reading your blog made me really sad. The way you viewed amateurs was completely incorrect in my opinion and I think you need to take a step back and remember yourself at that stage. Did you really think to yourself &quot;I&#039;m perfect where I am now I can&#039;t learn anymore&quot; No. You had zeal. You wanted to learn more. In my opinion that&#039;s more like the pro whose been doing it for 20 years talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved your post Kevyn. I really hate the denigration of the world amateur or hobbyist as well. I think that, while there is a great deal of technical knowledge needed in photography, it is ulitimatly very subjective. Some &#8220;professional&#8221; photographers, which I really think is a subjective word in and of itself, aren&#8217;t as good as some &#8220;amateur&#8221; photographers and vice versa. I saw a post the other day &#8220;Tips for amateurs&#8221; the first was &#8220;learn about your camera&#8221;. Seriously??? This is the level that pro&#8217;s view all amateurs as being at. I know a great deal about my camera. I have been taking pictures for years, and I have been charging for it for the last year. What is the definition of a professional? In my opinion it is SIMPLY someone who gets paid for their work, always strives to become better at their craft, and always delivers professional work that their clients love. And truthfully, some new photographers and hobbyists can deliver this. Reading your blog made me really sad. The way you viewed amateurs was completely incorrect in my opinion and I think you need to take a step back and remember yourself at that stage. Did you really think to yourself &#8220;I&#8217;m perfect where I am now I can&#8217;t learn anymore&#8221; No. You had zeal. You wanted to learn more. In my opinion that&#8217;s more like the pro whose been doing it for 20 years talking.</p>
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